matt mccall is the president of penn financial group. he jones us now live. how serious is this? >> it is extremely serious, gregg. we're seeing numbers backdating going back to november. what we haven't seen yet, we won't see until january the effect of the uncertainty of fiscal cliff and potential of falling off the fiscal cliff will have on the economy and have on consumers and potentially lead us back into as you mentioned what a lot of economists believe, another recession. gregg: what happens when fourth quarter earnings come out? >> nobody is really talking about this. companies, fourth quarter ends in a few days from now. we haven't had many warnings come from companies but when you see consumer confidence falling, mastercard came out with their numbers on holiday sales only increasing .7%. well below estimates and historical averages and consumer is 70% of the economy we'll see a wave of corporations come out earnings in middle of january, end of january, come out much lower than expectations. as senator corker talked about today, the markets have held up very well throu